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This picture is the factory that was built by Allen & Thurber in 1854. The company moved to Worcester from Norwich,Conn in July of 1847 and set up business in the Marrisfield industrial complex. In 1854, a fire destroyed the complex and Allen & Thurber Then known al Allen, Thurber & Co, built the factory that is in the picture that year. In 1856, Charles thurber retired and the company became Allen & Wheelock. Thomas Wheelock was a long time employee of A&T and one of Allen's brother-in-laws. In 1860, Forehand and Wadsworth both married Allen's two daughters and after Wheelock died in 1864, the company became E. Allen & Co. (Forehand & Wadsworth were the & Co) When Allen died in 1871, Sullivan Forenand and Henry Wadsworth took over the company and it became known as Forehand & Wadsworth.
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Pete Taylor - Report this comment
I'm researching this. Right now I can say that Forehand and Wadsworth made two handguns, a .32 and a .38 cal before 1891. That is the cutoff date for them to be considered "antique". I even found a web site that has parts for Forehand and Wadsworth guns. As I get more information, I'll post it.
im not positive, but i vaguely recall my grandfather describing this place as being located on park ave and chandler, there is a rite aid or walgreens there now--right down the street from foley stadium--
Paul S. Krivan - Report this comment
"Sullivan Forehand was first employed by "Allen & Wheelock" in 1860 in an administrative capacity. He subsequently married Ethan Allen's daughter and their two sons were later to enter, with their father in the firearms business. Henry C. Wadsworth, while an officer in the Union Army during the Civil War, also married one of Ethan Allen's daughters. Upon his discharge at the end of the war, he joined the Allen firm. In 1865 the firm name was changed to "Ethen Allen & Co." to reflect the new partnership fromed by E. Allen and his son's in law, Forehand and Wadsworth. Following Allen's death in 1871, the firm was continued by Forehand & Wadsworth and (name was changed to Forehand & Wadsworth Firearms Manufactoring Co. in 1871)" FLAYDERMANS 7th ED. page 382.
David Hubbard - Report this comment
Forehand and Wadsworth made Pocket Model revolvers in.32 and in .38. They also made a large frame .44 caliber revolver that I believe was referred to as a Frontier Model. I had one years ago that had come out of Mexico and was pretty rough in shape. I wrote a letter to the NRA and found out what it was.
jake reynolds - Report this comment
i also know very little of this company,but more than a few years ago i bought two forehand wadsworth revolvers one was a thirty eight and one was a thirty both were from the same era and had the same look, all i could ever find out is the company was absorbed in 1904, both guns were center break and put a lot of effort in looking and acting like a typical "saturday night special" as much as i hate that term, thanks and cya.
John Brooks - Report this comment
I've only recently become familiar with this company because I recently inherited an old double barrled shotgun manufactured there in 1897. an have no idea of t's worth.
D. Gilbert - Report this comment
If this building is located on Park Ave. and Chandler it was later the Harrington Richardson Arms Co. They made the M-16 Rifle during the VietNam War. I worked there between 1965-1972. At that time they were owned by the Rowe Family.
I believe the building was also Harrington and Richards firearms but I am not sure.
This became the Harrington & Richardson Gun Manufacturing company on Park Avenue. It stood until it was demolished in the late 1980's or 90's. The land is still vacant.
Dave McTigue - Report this comment
I know that there was a Harrington & Richardson firearms plant on the corner or Park Ave and Chandler in the 1960s. Not sure if this is the same building. I lived on Windfield Street and we would climb the fence to explore the factory (what were we thinking ?!)
Sean Carroll - Report this comment
The Firearms manufactory became the Harrington and Richardson Firearms Company Later the New England Firearms Corp.( Now of Gardner, d.b.a. H&R1871 Co.). It was located at Park Ave and Chandler ( I think) Now a Burger KIng. They specialized in Boarding Guns during WWII, and made simple revovers and break top shotguns and rifles.
G. Avedissian - Report this comment
This is not the Harrington & Richards building that I remember (and photographed) at the corner of Park and Chandler.
Paul Henry - Report this comment
This picture is the factory that was built by Allen & Thurber in 1854. The company moved to Worcester from Norwich,Conn in July of 1847 and set up business in the Marrisfield industrical complex. In 1854, a fire distroyed the complex and Allen & Thurber Then known al Allen, Thurber & Co, built the factory that is in the picture that year. In 1856, Charles thurber retired and the company became Allen & Wheelock. Thomas Wheelock was a long time employee of A&T and one of Allen's brother-in-laws. In 1860, Forehand and Wadsworth both married Allen's two daughters and after Wheelock died in 1864, the company became E. Allen & Co. (Forehand & Wadsworth were the & Co) When Allen died in 1871, Sullivan Forenand and Henry Wadsworth took over the company and it became known as Forehand & Wadsworth. I hope to have my book published this year (2005) about Allen & Wheelock and it will explanin it all. Paul Henry
The address of the Harrington & Richardson Arms Company during the 1950s and 1960s was 320 Park Avenue, Worcester, Mass. (Telephone 7-6341). My father's company in Philadelphia was one of their suppliers for precision parts for their military rifle, the M-14.
Allen Parten - Report this comment
I have a single shot 12 gauge shotgun. The receiver is stamped "Harrington & Richardson Arms Co. Worchester, Mass U.S.A Pat Feb 20 & 17 1900." So I would reason that there were 2 different firearm plants in Worchester around the same time. I could be wrong though.
Barry Girard - Report this comment
i remember when the last building at that site on park avenue was being torn down. i believe it was in 1985 or perhaps 1986. i was walking up park avenue to get to the records and tapes/merchandise store called 'album's' which was then located behind i believe it was a ihop store, 'international house of pancakes ' or some other which was on the same side of park ave as the last factory but just past it at the corner of park ave and chandler street.
brandon rodgers - Report this comment
i have a rifle made by harrington an richardsons in worchester mass. Patented on feb. 20 & 27 1900.
francis bacon - Report this comment
I have a forehand and wadsworth 32 cal. six shot, double action revolver. from the little info I,ve gathered it was called a suicide gun and on it the patents are Dec. 7, 1885 & Jan. 11, 1887. My revolver does have a serial number on it and I'm researching it further.
Lionel Raymond - Report this comment
I have in my possession a Forehan &Wadsworth, Worcester, Mass Pat. Sept . 24 & Oct. 22, 1861 This seven-shot .22 caliber (?) short cartridge, nickel plated revolver (serial number 18929.) was kept behind the counter of the jewelry store owned and operated by Ellis Gifford in Fall River, Mass. (serial number 18929.) From the discussions noted here it appears that the caliber may be .30, although a .22 short cartridge fits very nicely into the cylinder
philip seger - Report this comment
hi i worked there whhen i got out of the marine corp in 1971 as a maintence personel philip seger
Ron Walker - Report this comment
a .42 Caliber F&W Rimfire cartridge also exists, though not easy to find. Therefore there must have been a .42 caliber firearm also made by this facility at some time in the past. I have a photo of the round I own, if anyone is interested. Thanks for the great info I have found at this site.
I have 3 different addresses fro H&R, culled from their ads: Harrington & Richardson Arms Co., 243 Park Ave Worcester, Mass Harrington & Richardson Arms Co., 320 Park Ave Worcester, Mass Harrington & Richardson Arms Co., 484 Park Ave Worcester, Mass
M Wadsworth- July 17, 2007 - Report this comment
I have a F & W Russian 32, no s/n but stamped F H S Collick? RAOC (Royal Army Ordnance Corp. Has octagonal barrel and removable 5 round cylinder. No idea as to date. Believe I am a very distant relation to Henry
jbeuchel- July 31, 2007 - Report this comment
I have a 7 shot revolver and would like to sell it. Patented in 1861. Do you know who makes a market in this
Larry- August 09, 2007 - Report this comment
I worked at a company called Thermoplastics in 1982-83 that occupied a section of The Harrington Richards building at Park and Chandler.(Thermoplastics is now on Cambridge st.) I remember the building as being full of tunnels and pretty run down. There was also a bunker type building down towards Beaver Brook park that I heard the rifles were tested in.
Chris Saint- August 15, 2007 - Report this comment
I have a 12 gauge single barrel shotgun that was made by Harrington & Richards arm co. It reads worchester M.A.Pat res 20 & 27 1900 I would like some more information about this gun as it belonged to my great grandfather. I live in Australia and we do not have alot of info regarding this available.
Jonathan Roohr- November 17, 2007 - Report this comment
I have a single shot 12 gauge forehand shot gun and i am looking for a firing pin and stock. the only numbers stamped on it is 545
Charles Stauhs- January 18, 2008 - Report this comment
Pete Taylor, do you still have the website where i can buy pats for a forehand and wadsworth handgun? is my email. thank you
Charles Woodham- January 23, 2008 - Report this comment
I have my great- grandfather's single barrell 12 gage that has "Forehand Arm Co. Worclett, Mass." with a Patented date of Feb.4 1896. On top of the barrell it says, "Fine Decardonized Steel". If anyone has any more information, my e-mail is
Lee Meier- April 21, 2008 - Report this comment
I just purchased an Allen & Thurber pepperbox made in 1845 serial number 119. Can anyone give me any information on its history?
Russ- May 27, 2008 - Report this comment
I have a Allen & Thurber Bar Hammer Single Shot Pistol with the same serial number that "Lee Meier" has on his pepperbox. My serial number is also "119". They olnly made 2000 single shot pistols. This is a very early one. I am planning to sell this pistol. I can be reached at
steve- May 29, 2008 - Report this comment
I have an Allen & Thurber rife. Any interest?
Angel- October 08, 2008 - Report this comment
I am looking for information or the history on a Worcester rifel (serial number 125817) Feb 27 1900
Bill Krouse- October 21, 2008 - Report this comment
I have a 12ga Doubble . Marked Eathan Allen & Co. Worcester Mass.Pats. Nov 9 1859, Sept 1860, Aug. 1885. It does not break open . It opens from the top of the rear of the barrels in front of the hammers. Trying to find out more about this gun. mark subject old gun
Jan- November 06, 2008 - Report this comment
I also have a shotgun left to me by my father. It belonged to my great grandfather. It is a forehand patent feb 4, 1896; with what i assume is a serial number of 102 stamped underneath on the trigger plate. It has fine twist on the barrel. Does anyone know anything about these
CHARLES CAMILO- November 23, 2008 - Report this comment
I have an Allen & Worcester Mass / PAT.MCH.7 1865. Any interest?
Rich- December 08, 2008 - Report this comment
As Far as Harrington &Richardson in Worcester. They were located at Park and Chandler. The Site is now occupied by Walgreens, There is a donut shop right next to it. A little blurb, right next to State liquores there is a small red out building,brick. That is the last vestiges in Worcester of the company. The recently closed shop of H&R1871 is located in Gardner Ma.
Donald- March 25, 2009 - Report this comment
In 1972 I purchased a well worn, nickel plated .38 caliber, 5-shot pistol, with an octagon barrel of about 2 inches, from a farm hand in Minot, ND. It apparently takes a .38 "Short" cartridge, though a .38 Special fits into the cylinder. The top strap is stamped "FOREHAND ARMS CO.", "WORCESTER MASS", (notice the lack of an "H" in the spelling), "DOUBLE ACTION", "PAT'D JUNE 8, 1893". The serial number on the butt is 10124. It does not have a "loading gate" such as modern pistols. The grips are in perfect condition and have "F&W" in a circle near the top. I have searched for info on this weapon for many years and finally found this web site. Comments or interest?
Lenny- March 25, 2009 - Report this comment
I have a 2 or 2 1/2 inch barrel 7 shot revolver with the stamping ethan allen company of Worcester, MA. Dated 3-7-1858 / 7-7-1860 with no other marking or serial #. It is in good shape, and would like to know if it is a 22 or not. If someone could tell me what is worth.
William Gremler- July 06, 2009 - Report this comment
I have a H.& R. arms Co. Worcester, Mass 32 pistol 5 shot Hammer less. ItVXQ has a firing pin. Can anyone shed some lite on how old this gun may be
Tom Vonah- July 23, 2009 - Report this comment
I have come across in my father in laws effects a double barrell single trigger percussion (external hammer pistol. It is stamped "Allen & Thurber Worcester...". Has anyone any information on this handgun. There is also a number stamped on it "375". Reply to ""
Braze Knight- August 05, 2009 - Report this comment
I recently purchased a revolver that was completely taken apart to do a complete cleaning. and I have no idea what how to put it back together. Any and all info would be greatly appricated on this matter. the serial number is 89610 model- number 8610 . On top of cylinder is this E10.
Braze Knight- August 05, 2009 - Report this comment
I have recently aquired a revolver that has been disassembled and need help putting it back together. Any and all assistaints would be greatly appricated. It has the numbers 8610 on the inside butt. I am not sure what caliber it is at this time.This is whats on the barrel Harrington & Richardson Arms Company. Worchester Mass. USA. Pat. May 14, 89 Arirl 2,95 Apr. 7 96. Thank you for getting back with me on this matter.
Launey Guyaux- September 17, 2009 - Report this comment
I have an E. Allen 22.caliber dated March 7, 1865 perfect condition Anyone know anything about it? Serial # 4165 single shot barrel opens sideways to the left.
Art Hawes, Canada- November 07, 2009 - Report this comment
I have a Forehand & Wadsworth single barrel 12 ga side hammer shotgun. Barrel marked "FINE TWIST" patent Aug 16, 81. Any info will help. E-mail
BOB SLOVAK- November 11, 2009 - Report this comment
Ray Dulin- November 25, 2009 - Report this comment
i have just purchased a forehand and wadsworth single shot 12 gauge.its nickel plated with a side hammer resembling a blackpowder.the olny numbers i can find on it are 9 1 6 1 .what does this mean and what is it worth?
Dan Sorum- December 04, 2009 - Report this comment
I have just been given a allen and wheelock pistol it says pat. sept7 nov. 9 1885 and serial # 313 on the loading port. can anyone tell me more about this and maybe how much it is worth? e-mail me at Thank you.
Dan Vinton- December 27, 2009 - Report this comment
this fellow (email: is in receipt of one of their handguns and looking for information (am presuming the value of). posted info would also be appreciated.
Coach T- December 29, 2009 - Report this comment
I recently purchased a Allen & Wheelock .31 cal 6 shot pepperbox. "Allen's Patent 1845" is marked on the hammer. "Allen & Wheeler", "Worcester", "Patented April 16" is marked on the barrel. The serial # is 251. It looks like there is a T under the serial number. The gun is nickle plated and there is engraving up to the barrel. The gun metal and wood handle are in very good condition. If anyone can give me any additional information about this gun or where I can find additional information, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Shelby Smith 01/11/10- January 11, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a Forehand & Wadsworth (Worcester, Mass.)6 cylinder purse pistol that was given to my grandfather Olsa James Smith by his grandfather Freeman Orange Smith in 1867. Olsa gave it to me when I was born in 1938. The name above the cylinder is "TERROR". The only other marks I can find on it are the numbers 8802 on the butt. Parts of the metal are a bit corroded, but the wooden handles are nicely grained and in great condition. Where can I learn more about this gun? I can send an e-mail photo of it. Thanks
brandon- January 19, 2010 - Report this comment
Howard S- January 26, 2010 - Report this comment
My son in law recently found small cylinder .22 or .32 cal deringer size pistol in the wall of his home. The barrel is stamped E Allen & Co Worcester, Ma Pats. Sept 7 Nov 9 1858 April 24 1867 where would I find the serial #? It looks to be complete and in good shape considering it seems to have been in the wall a long time.
kathy marziano- February 10, 2010 - Report this comment
My husband has a E Allen & Co Worcester Mass Allens Pat Sept 16, 1880 44-40 caliber single shot rifle. Breach load. Where and how do we get this apprased or sell it if we decide to?? Also where would the serial number be. Thank you
Jason B- February 15, 2010 - Report this comment
I was just going through all my grand dads stuff and i found a old Muzzel loader pistol the markings on this gun are as followed Allen & Thurber, Worcester, cast-steel,170. Can someone tell me what i got?
Jim Stoddard- February 15, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a 1860 patent F&W drop-breech rifle, and I see the cartridge that I believe mine's chambered in described as a ".42 Forehand & Wadsworth #64", in John Barber's RIMFIRE CARTRIDGE book, and elsewhere. I'm curious as to what the 64 denotes, and any other info on that round. I'm in the market for a collector round if there's any available, and I have good photos of the rifle if anyone's interested in comparing notes. Mine has what I understand to be an original Beech combination gold washed front sight,like the Lyman #5 evolved from, and don't know as I've seen other examples of that on these rifles. I hope to find Henry's book and learn more about these unique guns.
Gary Fader- February 17, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a Harrinton&Richardson, Worcester. Mass. USA Pat Feb 27 1900. serial # A 11114.1. Also I have a 28 Gauge....Barrel And Lug Forged In One Pat'd june 15'15,#87648 Pat's Pending. And I would love to get more info on them
James- March 08, 2010 - Report this comment
A good friend of mine has a single shot black powder pistol,32 to 36 caliber, stamped on the top of the barrel is Allen and Thurber, on barrel and trigger is 517. He is interested in recieving information about it, and is wondering what this might be worth to an interested enthusiest. Thank you !
jim sadowski- March 09, 2010 - Report this comment
The old 1854 picture of the firearm's factory was located in a part of Worcester called the "junction", sort of a neighborhood or section with lots of manufacture. It was the junction of two railroads. One north-south the other east-west. Today its the area near the two bridges on Southbridge street, include streets of Jackson, LaGrange, Beacon, Herman etc.
adam- March 18, 2010 - Report this comment
i have a nov.9 1858. sept24 7 shot what is it ? help?!
twilson- March 21, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a 2 or 2 1/2 inch barrel 7 shot revolver with the stamping ethan allen company of Worcester, MA. Dated 9-7-1858 / 11-9-1858 with no other marking or serial #. It has a pearl handle. I would like to find out more information a the hand gun and what it is worth. Please email me information to
lenny- April 11, 2010 - Report this comment
can you send me the parts place i have a 44rim swamp angel thanks my e male is
james kincaid- April 24, 2010 - Report this comment
i have a allen wheelock worcester pats sept nov 9 1858 july 3 1860
Leo- April 26, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a 5 shot .38 From FOREHAND ARMS CO. WORCESTER MASS.USA with Patent dates Jan.2&Nov.29,87& Jan. 3,88 It has pictures of targets on the grips with 5shots on target , nikel plated in better than good condition. Whats it worth??? June 07, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a double action .22 cal rim fire H&R Trapper model 7 shot with a 3 1/2 inch octagon barrel. serial # is 1281$%. I havent been able 2 find any info on this gun if u guys could help me out i will apreciate it very much.
Bill Beichler- June 13, 2010 - Report this comment
I have an old Forehand and Wadsworth top break revolver in 32 S&W caliber that's been in my family a long time. It's marked Forehand and Wadsworth on top of the barrel...Not Forehand Arms like the later models. The only problem with the gun is that when the hammer is pulled all the way back to fire, it doesn't hold sometimes or if the trigger is pulled once that hammer is all the way back, it trips the hammer but the hammer doesn't strike all the way down to the firing pin. It seems like the trigger is getting held up on the hammer strut. It has a wide hammer on the top (Spur) and has an internal firing pin. Anyone know where I could get another hammer for it?
Chris D.- June 20, 2010 - Report this comment
i have a pistol made by allen & thurber, it seems to be very old and a single shot, almost like the kind you would see in civil war era guns, i know nothing of this gun and would like to find out more about it, if anyone knows i would like to communicate with you!
Chris D.- June 20, 2010 - Report this comment
also i forgot to add that Worcester is also engraved on it, and reply to me at thanks!
philip woodworth- June 27, 2010 - Report this comment
purchased a forehand & wadsworth double barrel shotgun this weekend at a flea market this weekend 12 gauge , missing left hammer and screw
Gale D- July 08, 2010 - Report this comment
I inherited a small revolver from my father It is a 32 S&W, Model 732 and marked "HR Inc Worc Mass USA" with a blue finish. It has about a 1 3/4 inch barrel and what appears to be "AH25911" stamped on the end of the grip Iserial number??). Can anyone tell me anything about this revolver? Age? etc???
Gale D.- July 08, 2010 - Report this comment
Apparently it is not a S&W-from what I read on the S&W website, that stamp only indicates the caliber, So I am looking for information on a H&R Inc. 32 caliber revolver.
Daniel Thurber- July 15, 2010 - Report this comment
I own a few Allen,Thurber firearms. They still shoot straight and true! My 1836 "pepperbox" is a riot when all six let go at the same time! If you place a little "shooters grease" over the caps this won't happen. I like this site, thanks.
bobby- July 24, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a what looks like a 38 pistol that was made by Forehand & Wadsworth Arms Co. This pistol is in excellent condition, blueing is 95% to 100%, of course this is my opinion and I am no expert by no means. What I have read about this gun is, that it was a cheap gun. I am sure for its age and condition, that it would be a good collectors gun. What can someone tell me about this gun and/or its worth.
nolie- October 07, 2010 - Report this comment
have a one shot ? caliber it looks smaller than 22 on left side reads E ALLEN & CO WORCESTER MASS. under that is ALLEN PAT. MCH 7 1865 what do i really have!?info neolalussier@yahoo.comzxa
paul- October 14, 2010 - Report this comment
i have an Ethan Allen boot pistle. The only place I kind find a pic of it is on the underhammer society website. Looking for info. It's the top pic on their page
Arnold Romero- November 01, 2010 - Report this comment
if yall can call me 1 337 250 6151
Al- November 08, 2010 - Report this comment
There's a history of F&W by Joe Vorisek available reasonably through Cornell Publications. They were absorbed into their parts supplier, Hopkins & Allen Firearms Mfg of Norwich, CT around the turn of the century. H&A continued the F&W line of revolvers and shotguns until the company closed in 1917. Some knowledgable folks think F&W was among the top 10, maybe top 5, brands of revolvers during the last part of the 19th Century.
Al- November 08, 2010 - Report this comment
I have a F & W pistol with the markings on top of the barrel: Forehand Arms Co Woroestef Mass. U.S.A.Pat Jan 11, Nov 29 '87, Jan 3 '88. The pistol grip looks like black plastic and the serial number on the bottom of the grip reads: 316449. I was thinking of giving it to the police this coming Saturday in exchange for a gift card. But, I thought I would check first to see if it was worth anything.
Greg- January 08, 2011 - Report this comment
I have a Allen & Thurber (stamped on top of barrel) and stamped on the bottom of the barrel and trigger guard is 517. Guessing it was made between 1847 and 1854. Condition is pretty good considering the age. I know nothing about it, nor can find anything. Does anyone know anything about it or it's possible value? Email me at: January 21, 2011 - Report this comment
I have a .32 cal, 6 shot, nickle plated revolver. It has a set of blask grips with F&W on them. The handgun had belonged to wife's grandfather a lond time ago. The octagonal barrel has "Forehand Arms co., Worchester, Mass. Double action, and Pat'd June (?) 1881". The serial # appears to be 3810.
shawn- January 31, 2011 - Report this comment
I have a 1940 serial#a1342 harrington & richardson arms co. worchester mass. single shot 12 gauge. what is unique about it is the stamping on the side of the breech was stamped twice. the second stamp was offset just enough but its obvious the stamp hit a second time. just wandering if mine is one of a kind or how many got past inspection? March 11, 2011 - Report this comment
I have two (matched) single shot boot or dueling pistols - stamped Allen's Patent, s/n 309 & 313. The handles are ivory and engraved "Presented by Davis Guards to Adjt.Geo. F. Sawtell, 5th Reg. Acton Oct 1853...Presented by Davis Guards. They are in a box with powdercan - box labelled Sawtell with brass plate. A photo of a militia man is included. I would be interested in knowing whether any descendants might be interested. Contact me at email address. Photos available to interested parties.
Brian Siebert- April 26, 2011 - Report this comment
My father in law just purchased at auction an Allen & Thurber Worcester percussion cap muzzle loading rifle. We have taken measurements, but are unsure of the actual caliber and we are looking for any other info we can get. The barrel lenght seems to be 20 inches, and the caliber around .42. Thanks everyone.
Thomas W. McKale- May 12, 2011 - Report this comment
researching a .32 cal. forehand Arms Co. Worchester, Massachussetts revolver, nickel plated, grips have a pointed star surrounding the screw, shield with F & W above it, this revolver is a six shot, Butt #5869. same for cylinder Tom McKale
jim sadowski- May 14, 2011 - Report this comment
The building pictures was located at 42 Gardner Street.
R.W. Allen- May 15, 2011 - Report this comment
Ethan Allen known for his "Pepper Gun" is pre-revolver. Silas Allen was noted for the artwork on his gun stocks and actually produced more guns than did Ethan. Both Allen's provided guns to the North during the Civil War though not under government contract. Ethans pepper gun hangs over the fireplace at the Willard Clock Museum and Silas has some rifles at Sturbridge Village.
RICK219- October 15, 2011 - Report this comment
Danny Holmes- December 21, 2011 - Report this comment
I have a gun made by H&R Arms Co. It is a 32 single shot revolver. This is whats printed on barrel. Victor 32 S&W CTGE or GTGE. Cannot find a date but on the cylinder the numbers 66 or 99 are inscribed. Does anyone know this gun? Email me at if you know what I have?
Megacy- February 21, 2012 - Report this comment
I have inherited a .32 caliber 6 barrel peppershot with 1845 on the top and it says Allen & Thurber, i am doing a research project and need some information on it. If anyone knows where i can find some email me at OR, it has a sort of flower design on it and it is mint condition never been shot, and its in a small display case.
Thomas McGugan- April 25, 2012 - Report this comment
I have a flintlock pistol marked Allen & Thurber Worcester Mass. I say flintlock as the hammer and striker are missing. My mother told me the gun was disabled by the union army during Shermans march through the south
Steef- April 28, 2012 - Report this comment
I purchade a new rifle from a dealer last month and i am very happy to own it ,its a Allen & Wheelock target percussion rifle. I hope you have more info for me about this rifle then flayderman has , its a very beautiful rifle . Manufactured circa 1840s into the early 1860s with production estimated at a few hundred. This example of an Allen & Wheelock side hammer muzzle loading rifle has an octagonal barrel marked ALLEN & WHEELOCK CAST-STEEL", a globe front sight, a sporting type rear sight, and a false muzzle. Scroll engraved silver receiver, trigger guard, patch box, buttstock overlay and buttplate, with the scrollwork extended to the breech plug and hammer. The patch box also has an engraved stag scene. Double set triggers and a sight mount on the receiver. Nicely figured checkered walnut straight grip stock with crescent buttplate with compartment on upper tang. Included is a bullet starter. BBL: 32 inch octagon If somebody have some info about this rifle please e-mail me THX
DORENE- October 12, 2012 - Report this comment
zach manasco- November 16, 2012 - Report this comment
i have an old shotgun that say it was made in worcester,mass,U.S.A and it say it was made by ray l tate if you know anything about this shotgun please contact us at 636-208-8239 ask for zach
Allen Thurber- December 15, 2012 - Report this comment
Yep, that is my real name. My father collected guns, and I have an Allen & Thurber percussion rifle on the wall lol.
Diana- February 10, 2013 - Report this comment
I have a 12 gauge side hammer shotgun with engraving: Forehand Arms Co. Worcester, Mass. Patended Aug.16'81 Do you know if this Co. was bought out or absorbed by another co? Or just closed and gone? Any info would be appreciated. My e-mail is
Bill W.- May 05, 2013 - Report this comment
See TheBlaze dot com for pics from the recent NRA convention. There's an Allen & Thurber medium sized pepperbox, made 1842-45.
Grace Lomano- July 30, 2016 - Report this comment
My father's uncle was Forehand of the Wadsworth and Forehand Arms. His uncle gave him 2 hand guns which he kept till his death at age 95 one was called Swamp Angel the other 35 silver handgun. My Dad was Paul A Waite his mother was a Forehand the guns are still in the family.
Emory- November 13, 2016 - Report this comment
Have an F&W 12ga single barrel side hammer. I need parts. does anyone know a supplier. Thanks
Don- October 07, 2020 - Report this comment
I purchased what appears to be an old Allen & Thurber single shot pistol. Barrel is 3". Only one marking on the underside just above the trigger guard: 6 I saw a reference somewhere to an Allen Model 6 Shotgun hammer boot pistol, but am really perplexed as to what I'm holding here. Thoughts?
Greg S.- January 24, 2022 - Report this comment
I have a F&W "Russian model 32" pocket .32 caliber rimfire revolver which I am currently restoring. The grip panels are in excellent condition, and display the "F&W" logo. My antique gun bucket list includes the F&W Terror, Bull dog and Swamp Angel!

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